0% of iPhones have key modern hardware capabilities - while from 66% to 78% of Android phone have that key modern hardware functionality

[Andy Burnelli]

While 0% of iPhones have modern portable storage capabilities, and while 0%
of the current iPhones have the versatile industry standard 3.5 mm jack,
a. 78% of current Androids by our common test, have a standard 3.5 mm jack
b. 72% of current Androids have versatile internal portable storage slots
c. 66% of Android phones sold today have _both_ portable storage & 3.5mm

See below for incontrovertible proof... done how we always have done it.

The only reason iPhones don't have the basic hardware is for Apple to lay a
stick glue trap for its (admittedly loyal) customers to buy it back.

Apple isn't a design house.
Apple can't design a damn thing.

Apple is a MARKETING powerhouse.
Apple, like CocaCola, is great at marketing meaningless sugar water.

Worse... Apple's business strategy is to inexorable remove functionality so
as to lay a glue trap forcing its loyal customers to buy their way out.

Google & Samsung can afford to copy Apple in their attempt to garner the
same profit margins Apple earns from its admittedly gullible customers.

However, the facts must be shown as they stood last we checked on 20220815:
https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1&sOSes=2
2019 to today number of Android phones (not tablets) = 1850 = 100%
Running that same query today, we find there are 2,066 current models.

Last we checked, on 20220815, 78% had the industry standard 3.5mm jack.
https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1&sOSes=2
Android phones with 3.5mm jack = 1440 = 78%
Running that same query today, we find there are 1,581 models with it.
The percentage has dropped from 78% to 77%, which is barely a dent.

As for the internal portable storage card slot, I don't see that we listed
that in those numbers that we compiled last August on this newsgroup.

Running that test, we find there are 1,486 phones with portable storage.
https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1
That's the vast majority of Android phones at 72% by those same measures.

Running one more test, which is the intersection of those two features,
https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1
We find there are 1,368 current Android phones with both capabilities.

That's the majority of Android phones sold today, at 66%.

Please check the numbers understanding this is the _same_ test we've always
run so it would be deceitful for you to suddenly claim you don't like
objective facts which we all have been using all along.

[Alan]

On 2023-01-18 17:32, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> While 0% of iPhones have modern portable storage capabilities, and while 0%
> of the current iPhones have the versatile industry standard 3.5 mm jack,

That's not a modern feature, nor is there any "standard" about what sort
of headphone jack a smartphone should have.

> a. 78% of current Androids by our common test, have a standard 3.5 mm jack
> b. 72% of current Androids have versatile internal portable storage slots
> c. 66% of Android phones sold today have _both_ portable storage & 3.5mm
>
> See below for incontrovertible proof... done how we always have done it.
>
> The only reason iPhones don't have the basic hardware is for Apple to lay a
> stick glue trap for its (admittedly loyal) customers to buy it back.
>
> Apple isn't a design house.
> Apple can't design a damn thing.

Apple literally designs almost everything they make except for a small
number of electronic components.

>
> Apple is a MARKETING powerhouse. Apple, like CocaCola, is great at
> marketing meaningless sugar water.

I love how you want to argue BOTH that Apple doesn't design anything...

...and that they are to blame for any flaws in chips...

...which you claim they don't design.

:-)

[Bill W]

On Jan 19, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
<news:tqa84g$145pv$1...@dont-email.me>):

> On 2023-01-18 17:32, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> While 0% of iPhones have modern portable storage capabilities, and while 0%
>> of the current iPhones have the versatile industry standard 3.5 mm jack,
>
> That's not a modern feature, nor is there any "standard" about what sort
> of headphone jack a smartphone should have.

why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the jack choice then?
why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the sd card choice?
why do two thirds of modern Android phones have the choice of both?

why doesn't any current iPhone give the iPhone owner that same choice?
why do you think Apple doesn't give its customers the choices Android does?

[Alan]

Better question:

Why do so many people buy iPhones if those choices are so very critical
to people?

:-)

[Rod Speed]

On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 13:10:28 +1100, Bill W <not...@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On Jan 19, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
> <news:tqa84g$145pv$1...@dont-email.me>):
>
>> On 2023-01-18 17:32, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>> While 0% of iPhones have modern portable storage capabilities, and
>>> while 0%
>>> of the current iPhones have the versatile industry standard 3.5 mm
>>> jack,
>>
>> That's not a modern feature, nor is there any "standard" about what sort
>> of headphone jack a smartphone should have.
>
> why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the jack choice then?

Because FAR more of them are very cheap phones whose buyers don't
have the money for more expensive wireless wireless earphones.

> why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the sd card choice?

Same reason. The low end androids phones have very little
internal memory to keep the price down and so the sd card
is needed to provide somewhere to store stuff like photos etc.

> why do two thirds of modern Android phones have the choice of both?

Same reason.

> why doesn't any current iPhone give the iPhone owner that same choice?

Because Apple chooses to not bother with low end phones at all.

> why do you think Apple doesn't give its customers the choices Android
> does?

Because Apple chooses to not bother with low end phones at all.

[Bill W]

On Jan 19, 2023, Alan wrote (in article

<news:tqa9j8$155gb$1...@dont-email.me>):

> Why do so many people buy iPhones if those choices are so very critical
> to people?

You mean those same people who buy bad designs like this iPhone cup holder?
http://www.toxel.com/tech/2013/01/26/iphone-cup-holder/

[Alan]

Seriously?

That's your comeback?

[sms]

On 1/18/2023 6:10 PM, Bill W wrote:

<snip>

> why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the jack choice then?
> why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the sd card choice?
> why do two thirds of modern Android phones have the choice of both?

Where on earth did you get those numbers? Did they come from our
favorite nym-shifting troll. Or are they from the inventor of the iPhone
and the CEO of Samsung, George Santos?

The reality is that only one manufacturer, Sony, is still building
flagship phones with both a headphone jack and a MicroSD card slot.
Those are premium models that sell for high prices.

No current model Google Pixel phones have neither.

Samsung dropped both on all their flagship models and has begun dropping
both from their mid-range models (the A53 5G dropped the headphone jack,
and the A54 5G reportedly will drop the MicroSD card slot.

There are definitely things to complain about regarding hardware
capabilities of the iPhone versus Android phones, but the headphone jack
and the MicroSD card slot are no longer a valid complaint since most
Android phones have dropped them.

[Alan]

Moreover, it's about what customers really care about.

And if any of those things were really that important to large numbers
of customers, those customers would vote with their dollars.

[nospam]

In article <tqccrd$1vu5$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

> > why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the jack choice then?
> > why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the sd card choice?
> > why do two thirds of modern Android phones have the choice of both?
>
> Where on earth did you get those numbers? Did they come from our
> favorite nym-shifting troll.

he is either the nymshifting troll or one of your sockpuppets.

[Bill W]

On Jan 20, 2023, sms wrote (in article
<news:tqccrd$1vu5$1...@gioia.aioe.org>):

>> why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the jack choice then?
>> why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the sd card choice?
>> why do two thirds of modern Android phones have the choice of both?
>
> Where on earth did you get those numbers?

That's like asking me where on earth did I get the idea the sun rises in
the morning since it's super fucking obvious where those numbers came from.

They are in the opening post, with the reference URL from gsmarena.

> There are definitely things to complain about regarding hardware
> capabilities of the iPhone versus Android phones, but the headphone jack
> and the MicroSD card slot are no longer a valid complaint since most
> Android phones have dropped them.

Where on earth did you get those numbers that don't agree with gsmarena?
It's like you saying most days the sun doesn't come up.

The gsmarena site says most current Android models have both an sdcard slot
and a 3.5mm jack and all but a quarter of them have one or the other.

How can you flat outright say gsmarena doesn't know fuck about phones?

[Bill W]

On Jan 20, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
<news:tqcd28$1lp3m$4...@dont-email.me>):

> And if any of those things were really that important to large numbers
> of customers, those customers would vote with their dollars.

They did.

The gsmarena site says most current Android models have both an sdcard slot

and a 3.5mm jack & all but a quarter of current Androids have at least one.

[Ken Blake]

On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 14:04:27 +1300, Bill W <not...@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>On Jan 20, 2023, sms wrote (in article
><news:tqccrd$1vu5$1...@gioia.aioe.org>):
>
>>> why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the jack choice then?
>>> why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the sd card choice?
>>> why do two thirds of modern Android phones have the choice of both?
>>
>> Where on earth did you get those numbers?
>
>That's like asking me where on earth did I get the idea the sun rises in
>the morning since it's super fucking obvious where those numbers came from.

Is that the same as supercalifragilisticexpialidocious?

[*Hemidactylus*]

Andy Burnelli <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:
> While 0% of iPhones have modern portable storage capabilities, and while 0%
> of the current iPhones have the versatile industry standard 3.5 mm jack,
> a. 78% of current Androids by our common test, have a standard 3.5 mm jack
>

OMG! Seriously? 3.5 mm jack? Haraldr Blátǫnn Gormsson and Hedy Lamarr
called to say technology has changed for the better. I always loved that
static buildup one gets that makes the jack connection scratchy. Reminds me
of a scratched CD skipping or cassette hiss. Why return to those primordial
states? Let me guess, you love 8-tracks too?

This absurd “standard 3.5 mm jack” whining has to be one of the most
ridiculous howlers I’ve seen from your obsessive maniacal rantings and
there have been way too many of those to count. Do you have a life or are
you a lonely shut in loser with a massive chip on his shoulder about
technological consumer preferences?

standard 3.5 mm jack??? Bonkers.

[Alan]

I know that iPhones sell in HUGE numbers with neither an SD card slot,
nor a 3.5mm jack.

[*Hemidactylus*]

Actually expandable storage for an iphone would be a great idea but I think
we all know why that isn’t the ca$e, despite what the resident PR folks
might say.

[*Hemidactylus*]

Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2023-01-18 17:32, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> While 0% of iPhones have modern portable storage capabilities, and while 0%
>> of the current iPhones have the versatile industry standard 3.5 mm jack,
>
> That's not a modern feature, nor is there any "standard" about what sort
> of headphone jack a smartphone should have.
>

One thing I will say besides the precious “standard 3.5 mm jack” going the
way of the non-avian dinosaur is that I didn’t fall for no AirPods hype. I
bought myself a proper set of Bluetooth headphones as the good lord
intended. Ear buds are stupid.

[Bill W]

On Jan 20, 2023, *Hemidactylus* wrote (in article
<news:cImcnWOS8N80c1T-...@giganews.com>):

>>>> And if any of those things were really that important to large numbers
>>>> of customers, those customers would vote with their dollars.
>>>
>>> They did.
>>>
>>> The gsmarena site says most current Android models have both an sdcard slot
>>> and a 3.5mm jack & all but a quarter of current Androids have at least one.
>>>
>>> How can you flat outright say gsmarena doesn't know fuck about phones?
>>
>> I know that iPhones sell in HUGE numbers with neither an SD card slot,
>> nor a 3.5mm jack.
>>
> Actually expandable storage for an iphone would be a great idea but I think
> we all know why that isn't the ca$e, despite what the resident PR folks
> might say.

The beauty of the storage in an sd card is in all the things that it does.

It's cheap storage.
It's storage that can expand your system storage.
It's storage that can be pulled out and used in your pc.
It's storage that can be moved from one phone to any other phone.
It's useful to put photos on so that your main storage isn't filled up.
It's backup storage that can be saved if the phone is broken and unusable.

People voted with their dollars which is why three quarters of all current
Android phone models today are equipped with that sd storage slot option.

[Alan]

And it is clearly not important to a lot of people.

What percentage of smartphone purchasers are choosing ones with SD card
slots?

What percentage are actually USING those slots?

[Bill W]

On Jan 20, 2023, *Hemidactylus* wrote (in article

<news:JMmcnVKKUNdFb1T-...@giganews.com>):

>>> While 0% of iPhones have modern portable storage capabilities, and while 0%
>>> of the current iPhones have the versatile industry standard 3.5 mm jack,
>>
>> That's not a modern feature, nor is there any "standard" about what sort
>> of headphone jack a smartphone should have.
>>
> One thing I will say besides the precious "standard 3.5 mm jack" going the
> way of the non-avian dinosaur is that I didn't fall for no AirPods hype. I
> bought myself a proper set of Bluetooth headphones as the good lord
> intended. Ear buds are stupid.

How can you say that when more than three quarters of all current Android
phone models have that jack which means less than a quarter have lost it?

Do you see different numbers than I did when I pasted in the gmsarena links
that are listed in the original post that give you those 78% values?

Or do you not believe gsmarena knows which phone models have a 3.5mm jack?

[Bill W]

On Jan 20, 2023, Alan wrote (in article

<news:tqcs3a$1pj3c$2...@dont-email.me>):

>> People voted with their dollars which is why three quarters of all current
>> Android phone models today are equipped with that sd storage slot option.
>
> And it is clearly not important to a lot of people.

How can you so stupidly dispute the data that comes out of gsmarena?

> What percentage of smartphone purchasers are choosing ones with SD card
> slots?

What's Android's world wide market share?

Since about three quarters of all current Android models have the slot, I'd
guess that it's three quarters of that percent times the total phones sold.

> What percentage are actually USING those slots?

If I use 85% of all phones sold in the past three years are Android and if
gsmarena is correct that 72% of the models have the sdslot, all I can tell
you using those roundabout numbers is 3/4 of 85% is around 65% of those
phones if Android models were evenly distributed across those sales.

If you want to make different assumptions, do so as it's your question.

This says there's over seven billion smartphones but I don't know how many
of those are within the last three years. If I assume 6 billion of them are
recent, then about five billion (at 85%) are recent Android phones, of
which about four billion of them came with the sd slot inside the phone.

That's all I can tell you since I never bothered to care about how many.

You should look up the numbers yourself.
Another way to look at that would be for you to look up sd card sales.

[Alan]

On 2023-01-19 17:56, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 20, 2023, *Hemidactylus* wrote (in article
> <news:JMmcnVKKUNdFb1T-...@giganews.com>):
>
>>>> While 0% of iPhones have modern portable storage capabilities, and while 0%
>>>> of the current iPhones have the versatile industry standard 3.5 mm jack,
>>>
>>> That's not a modern feature, nor is there any "standard" about what sort
>>> of headphone jack a smartphone should have.
>>>
>> One thing I will say besides the precious "standard 3.5 mm jack" going the
>> way of the non-avian dinosaur is that I didn't fall for no AirPods hype. I
>> bought myself a proper set of Bluetooth headphones as the good lord
>> intended. Ear buds are stupid.
>
> How can you say that when more than three quarters of all current Android
> phone models have that jack which means less than a quarter have lost it?

Because percentage of phones available is not the same as percentage of
phones purchased.

[Alan]

On 2023-01-19 18:09, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 20, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
> <news:tqcs3a$1pj3c$2...@dont-email.me>):
>
>>> People voted with their dollars which is why three quarters of all current
>>> Android phone models today are equipped with that sd storage slot option.
>>
>> And it is clearly not important to a lot of people.
>
> How can you so stupidly dispute the data that comes out of gsmarena?

The data that comes out of gsmarena tells you NOTHING about what people
are actually BUYING.

>
>> What percentage of smartphone purchasers are choosing ones with SD card
>> slots?
>
> What's Android's world wide market share?
>
> Since about three quarters of all current Android models have the slot, I'd

> guess that it's three quarters of that percent times the total phones sold.a

So you simply assume there is a completely even distribution of Android
phone sales?

>
>> What percentage are actually USING those slots?
>
> If I use 85% of all phones sold in the past three years are Android and if
> gsmarena is correct that 72% of the models have the sdslot, all I can tell
> you using those roundabout numbers is 3/4 of 85% is around 65% of those
> phones if Android models were evenly distributed across those sales.
>
> If you want to make different assumptions, do so as it's your question.

You failed to answer the question.

>
> This says there's over seven billion smartphones but I don't know how many
> of those are within the last three years. If I assume 6 billion of them are
> recent, then about five billion (at 85%) are recent Android phones, of
> which about four billion of them came with the sd slot inside the phone.
>
> That's all I can tell you since I never bothered to care about how many.
>
> You should look up the numbers yourself.
> Another way to look at that would be for you to look up sd card sales.

Ummmmmm...nope.

SD cards are used for a lot more than smartphones, sunshine.

[*Hemidactylus*]

I don’t care about the stupid standard 3.5 mm jack. I actually have a
lightning to standard 3.5 mm jack adapter, which I have used for my boombox
in the past but can cast music to my Roku if I want or just use a music app
or Youtube on my Roku which ports into my home theater. Granted that uses
ancient RCA jacks, but it’s not my phone. Imagine clunky RCA jacks in my
phone? Well actually if I used the lightning to standard 3.5 mm jack
adapter I have to use an RCA splitter like they did when Miami Vice and
Golden Girls were all the rage.

Why fret about the precious standard 3.5 mm jack when they make frickin
adapters and splitters that work fine. Or use Bluetooth or cast over WiFi
like it’s actually the 21st century.

[Bill W]

On Jan 20, 2023, Alan wrote (in article

<news:tqctcs$1q0bd$1...@dont-email.me>):

>> How can you say that when more than three quarters of all current Android
>> phone models have that jack which means less than a quarter have lost it?
>
> Because percentage of phones available is not the same as percentage of
> phones purchased.

Fair enough.
What numbers do you come up with then?

Quote the URL so I can check that you didn't make it up.

[nospam]

In article <tqcs0t$14vl$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Bill W <not...@nowhere.com>
wrote:


> It's cheap storage.

that's because it's much slower than internal memory, especially for
cheap cards. android will even reject it if it's too slow. they also
have shorter lifetime because they're not rated for as many write
cycles.

> It's storage that can expand your system storage.

that only matters if someone fills what they have. if they don't, then
there is no benefit.

> It's storage that can be pulled out and used in your pc.
> It's storage that can be moved from one phone to any other phone.

except when it's adopted, which is the common scenario if a card is
used (which is nowhere near as often as you think).

> It's useful to put photos on so that your main storage isn't filled up.

not really, especially when the photos you want to look at are on a
different card, and if it's adopted, it's part of your main storage.

the cloud is *far* more convenient for the majority of users, without
any of the hassle.

> It's backup storage that can be saved if the phone is broken and unusable.

not really, since backing up to cards is a significant hassle which
means it's unlikely to be done on a regular basis.

also, unless the card is removed and kept in a separate location, it's
not actually a backup. if the device is lost or stolen, so will your
copy and you lose the entire contents of the phone.

> People voted with their dollars which is why three quarters of all current
> Android phone models today are equipped with that sd storage slot option.

you're confusing number of models with actual sales.

the top selling phones don't have card slots.

[Bill W]

On Jan 20, 2023, Alan wrote (in article

<news:tqcth2$1q0bd$2...@dont-email.me>):

> So you simply assume there is a completely even distribution of Android
> phone sales?

You're the one disputing the gsmarena figures, not me.

You asked me how many I think are sold so I gave you my assumptions using
the numbers in the original post which at least is based on a reliable
source.

They don't make all those Android models without selling most of them.
So most of what is sold on Android has the sd slot.

I can't tell you more than that because it's you who cares. Not me.

If you want to come up with different numbers, then do it.
You tell me what your calculations are & quote the sources of the numbers.

[Alan]

I don't have to come up with anything.

iPhones have neither SD cards, nor 3.5mm jacks...

...and they are HUGELY successful.

Apple has the second largest share of iPhone sales by unit.

And that's against dozens of other companies.

So if the SD card and/or 3.5mm jack are the make-or-break features you
claim them to be...

...how do iPhones sell in such numbers?

[Alan]

On 2023-01-19 18:26, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 20, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
> <news:tqcth2$1q0bd$2...@dont-email.me>):
>
>> So you simply assume there is a completely even distribution of Android
>> phone sales?
>
> You're the one disputing the gsmarena figures, not me.
>

Nope.

I'm stating that GSMArena's figures don't tell you what people actually
care about.

[Bill W]

On Jan 20, 2023, nospam wrote (in article
<news:190120232123539368%nos...@nospam.invalid>):

> you're confusing number of models with actual sales.

No I'm not. You are. And besides, those were current models being sold.
They sell them. They already removed the models that are not being sold.

If you want to break down all the Android phones sold in the last three
years by model, then do that - but you haven't done that so you don't know
what you are talking about until you do that.

Anyway, what you're saying is stupid because you're saying it's better not
to have the choice than it is to have it, which is just plain stupid.

Besides, do you even have an Android phone that has the slot?
Probably not.

You've never used it so you don't know what you're talking about.

[Bill W]

On Jan 20, 2023, Alan wrote (in article

<news:tqcube$1q0bd$5...@dont-email.me>):

> I'm stating that GSMArena's figures don't tell you what people actually
> care about.

You're complaining about something you haven't even run the numbers on?
Do your own research.

Show the URLs of the sources where you get your numbers from.
Without those figures you have nothing to base your complaint on.

Until you do that, we're finished.

[*Hemidactylus*]

Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 13:10:28 +1100, Bill W <not...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jan 19, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
>> <news:tqa84g$145pv$1...@dont-email.me>):

>>
>>> On 2023-01-18 17:32, Andy Burnelli wrote:

>>>> While 0% of iPhones have modern portable storage capabilities, and
>>>> while 0%
>>>> of the current iPhones have the versatile industry standard 3.5 mm
>>>> jack,
>>>
>>> That's not a modern feature, nor is there any "standard" about what sort
>>> of headphone jack a smartphone should have.
>>

>> why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the jack choice then?
>

> Because FAR more of them are very cheap phones whose buyers don't
> have the money for more expensive wireless wireless earphones.
>
And iphones with lightning can use adapters to utilize standard 3.5 mm
jacks. Solved.

And two scenarios:
1. Earbuds tethered to my phone which I have to carry around with me in my
house or Bluetooth headphones untethered where I can walk around freely
with my phone sitting wherever, even charging.

2. My phone tethered to an auxiliary jack I need to unplug when I go into a
store or Bluetooth with my phone in my pants pocket that will stop when I
go into the store and start where I left off when I start the car upon
leaving. Which is more elegant and less cumbersome.

The precious standard 3.5 mm jack debunked.

[Bill W]

On Jan 20, 2023, Alan wrote (in article

<news:tqcua8$1q0bd$4...@dont-email.me>):

>> What numbers do you come up with then?
>>
>> Quote the URL so I can check that you didn't make it up.
>
> I don't have to come up with anything.

Then why are you complaining 3/4 of Android phones have the slot or jack?
Until you come up with numbers (and quote your sources) we're finished.

[Rod Speed]

On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 12:06:33 +1100, Bill W <not...@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On Jan 20, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
> <news:tqcd28$1lp3m$4...@dont-email.me>):
>
>> And if any of those things were really that important to large numbers
>> of customers, those customers would vote with their dollars.
>
> They did.

You have no data that says that they did.

> The gsmarena site says most current Android models have both an sdcard
> slot
> and a 3.5mm jack & all but a quarter of current Androids have at least
> one.

Which is a separate matter entirely to the volume that sold.

> How can you flat outright say gsmarena doesn't know fuck about phones?

They don't say anything about the volume of each model sold.

[Rod Speed]

On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 12:30:17 +1100, *Hemidactylus*
<ecph...@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

> Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-01-19 17:06, Bill W wrote:
>>> On Jan 20, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
>>> <news:tqcd28$1lp3m$4...@dont-email.me>):
>>>
>>>> And if any of those things were really that important to large numbers
>>>> of customers, those customers would vote with their dollars.
>>>
>>> They did.
>>>
>>> The gsmarena site says most current Android models have both an sdcard
>>> slot
>>> and a 3.5mm jack & all but a quarter of current Androids have at least
>>> one.
>>>
>>> How can you flat outright say gsmarena doesn't know fuck about phones?
>>
>> I know that iPhones sell in HUGE numbers with neither an SD card slot,
>> nor a 3.5mm jack.
>>
> Actually expandable storage for an iphone would be a great idea

Trivially available has been for a long time now.

It would be interesting to know how many actually get purchased.

[*Hemidactylus*]

iPhones can use a lightning to standard 3.5 mm jack adapter if needed.
Having two holes when one is sufficient is stupid.

https://www.amazon.com/Apple-Lightning-Headphone-Jack-Adapter/dp/B01LXJFMGF

Solved.

[Rod Speed]

Not stupid so much as don't work for me. I must have freaky ears,
nothing that goes in the ears stays there long for me, including
what apple used to supply with iphones.

[Rod Speed]

Trivially available for iphones if you want to go that route.

> People voted with their dollars which is why three quarters of all
> current
> Android phone models today are equipped with that sd storage slot option.

But only one of the top end models are. Funny that.

[Alan]

Sorry, but that's not the way it works.

You've advanced an argument: that people care about two features.

For support, you've turned to the number of phones that have that
feature and that fails on its face.

[Alan]

I'm not complaining about.

I'm pointing out that that fact doesn't prove anything about how much
they SELL.

[Jerry Friedman]

On 1/19/23 7:23 PM, nospam wrote:
>> It's cheap storage.
>
> that's because it's much slower than internal memory

You don't care for photos. And you don't get the choice with iPhones.

>
>> It's storage that can expand your system storage.
>
> that only matters if someone fills what they have.

It works well for photos. And you don't get the choice with iPhones.

>
>> It's storage that can be pulled out and used in your pc.

And you don't get the choice of being able to do that with iPhones.

>> It's storage that can be moved from one phone to any other phone.
>
> except when it's adopted

Almost everyone uses it to save photos. iPhones don't get that choice.

>> It's useful to put photos on so that your main storage isn't filled up.
>
> not really

Yes really. And you don't get that choice when you buy an iPhone.

>
>> It's backup storage that can be saved if the phone is broken and unusable.
>
> not really

Yes really. How can you say you can't save your photos even if the phone
is broken?

What's wrong with you?
Why do you make up totally wrong excuses like this?

> also, unless the card is removed and kept in a separate location

How can you not understand what it means to have a broken phone?

Almost everyone who uses the card in an Android phone is using it to store
the photos, and not as what you call "adopted storage" which has too many
problems so almost nobody uses it that way except the nerds and even they
wouldn't use it that way.

You're only bitching about the almost never used adopted storage because
you don't have the option of putting photos on the sd car in an iPhone.

You're bitching because you can't do it on the iPhone.
--
Jerry Friedman

[Rod Speed]

On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 13:09:35 +1100, Bill W <not...@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On Jan 20, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
> <news:tqcs3a$1pj3c$2...@dont-email.me>):
>
>>> People voted with their dollars which is why three quarters of all
>>> current
>>> Android phone models today are equipped with that sd storage slot
>>> option.
>>
>> And it is clearly not important to a lot of people.
>
> How can you so stupidly dispute the data that comes out of gsmarena?
>
>> What percentage of smartphone purchasers are choosing ones with SD card
>> slots?
>
> What's Android's world wide market share?
>
> Since about three quarters of all current Android models have the slot,
> I'd
> guess that it's three quarters of that percent times the total phones
> sold.

You'd be wrong with that guess. Plenty, including
everyone but one I know with an anddroid phone
with and sd slot doesn't actually use the sd slot at all.

>> What percentage are actually USING those slots?
>
> If I use 85% of all phones sold in the past three years are Android and
> if
> gsmarena is correct that 72% of the models have the sdslot, all I can
> tell
> you using those roundabout numbers is 3/4 of 85% is around 65% of those
> phones if Android models were evenly distributed across those sales.

Bogus assumption given that says nothing about how many
of those phones which have an sd slot actually USE the sd slot.

> If you want to make different assumptions, do so as it's your question.

> This says there's over seven billion smartphones but I don't know how
> many
> of those are within the last three years. If I assume 6 billion of them
> are
> recent, then about five billion (at 85%) are recent Android phones, of
> which about four billion of them came with the sd slot inside the phone.
>
> That's all I can tell you since I never bothered to care about how many.
>
> You should look up the numbers yourself.

Not even possible with how many actually USE the slot.

> Another way to look at that would be for you to look up sd card sales.

Proves nothing because most who buy one have more than one
and they aren't just used in phones.

[Alan]

On 2023-01-19 18:31, Bill W wrote:

> On Jan 20, 2023, nospam wrote (in article
> <news:190120232123539368%nos...@nospam.invalid>):
>
>> you're confusing number of models with actual sales.
>
> No I'm not. You are. And besides, those were current models being sold.
> They sell them. They already removed the models that are not being sold.

Ummmmm...no.

They don't.

That's why there is an explicit CHOICE on their page:

>
> If you want to break down all the Android phones sold in the last three
> years by model, then do that - but you haven't done that so you don't know
> what you are talking about until you do that.
>
> Anyway, what you're saying is stupid because you're saying it's better not
> to have the choice than it is to have it, which is just plain stupid.
>
> Besides, do you even have an Android phone that has the slot?
> Probably not.
>
> You've never used it so you don't know what you're talking about.

'Availability:

Available

Coming soon

Discontinued

Rumored'


Choose "Available" only, and the number of phones drops from more than
10,000 to 3,056.

Sounds like you don't know much about the source you've chosen to rely on.

[Rod Speed]

On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 13:31:58 +1100, Bill W <not...@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On Jan 20, 2023, nospam wrote (in article
> <news:190120232123539368%nos...@nospam.invalid>):
>
>> you're confusing number of models with actual sales.
>
> No I'm not. You are. And besides, those were current models being sold.
> They sell them. They already removed the models that are not being sold.
>
> If you want to break down all the Android phones sold in the last three
> years by model, then do that - but you haven't done that so you don't
> know
> what you are talking about until you do that.
>
> Anyway, what you're saying is stupid because you're saying it's better
> not
> to have the choice than it is to have it,

You do have the choice to add a 2.5mm jack and sd card to an iphone
if you want one or both.

> which is just plain stupid.

> Besides, do you even have an Android phone that has the slot?
> Probably not.
>
> You've never used it so you don't know what you're talking about.

You don't need to use it to know that it is MUCH less convenient than the
cloud.

[Rod Speed]

On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 13:36:46 +1100, Bill W <not...@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On Jan 20, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
> <news:tqcube$1q0bd$5...@dont-email.me>):
>
>> I'm stating that GSMArena's figures don't tell you what people actually
>> care about.
>
> You're complaining about something you haven't even run the numbers on?
> Do your own research.

Not even possible with sales volume or how many who have
a phone with an sd slot actually use that slot.

> Show the URLs of the sources where you get your numbers from.
> Without those figures you have nothing to base your complaint on.

> Until you do that, we're finished.

You have always been finished.

[Rod Speed]

On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 13:54:18 +1100, Jerry Friedman
<jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On 1/19/23 7:23 PM, nospam wrote:
>>> It's cheap storage.
>> that's because it's much slower than internal memory
>
> You don't care for photos. And you don't get the choice with iPhones.

Yes you do, there are plenty of adapters for sd cards that
plug into the lighting port. They aren't even expensive.

>>> It's storage that can expand your system storage.

>> that only matters if someone fills what they have.

> It works well for photos.

The cloud works MUCH better and is completely automatic.

> And you don't get the choice with iPhones.

Yes you do, there are plenty of adapters for sd cards that
plug into the lighting port. They aren't even expensive.

>>> It's storage that can be pulled out and used in your pc.

> And you don't get the choice of being able to do that with iPhones.

Yes you do, there are plenty of adapters for sd cards that
plug into the lighting port. They aren't even expensive.

>>> It's storage that can be moved from one phone to any other phone.
>> except when it's adopted

> Almost everyone uses it to save photos.

Plenty use the cloud instead.

> iPhones don't get that choice.

Yes you do, there are plenty of adapters for sd cards that
plug into the lighting port. They aren't even expensive.

>>> It's useful to put photos on so that your main storage isn't filled up.
>> not really

> Yes really.

> And you don't get that choice when you buy an iPhone.

Yes you do, there are plenty of adapters for sd cards that
plug into the lighting port. They aren't even expensive.

>>> It's backup storage that can be saved if the phone is broken and
>>> unusable.
>> not really
>
> Yes really. How can you say you can't save your photos even if the phone
> is broken? What's wrong with you? Why do you make up totally wrong
> excuses like this?

Why do you ?

>> also, unless the card is removed and kept in a separate location

> How can you not understand what it means to have a broken phone?

> Almost everyone who uses the card in an Android phone is using it to
> store
> the photos, and not as what you call "adopted storage" which has too many
> problems so almost nobody uses it that way except the nerds and even they
> wouldn't use it that way.
>
> You're only bitching about the almost never used adopted storage because
> you don't have the option of putting photos on the sd car in an iPhone.
>
> You're bitching because you can't do it on the iPhone.

Pity can do it on the iphone.

[Bill W]

On Jan 19, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
<news:tqd00k$1q0bd$8...@dont-email.me>):

> Sounds like you don't know much about the source you've chosen to rely on.

For some reason it bothers you a lot that Android owners get the sd option.

You're bitching about Android because Apple didn't give you any options.

Instead of bitching, you should be happy Android owners have options.

[Rod Speed]

On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 14:58:31 +1100, Bill W <not...@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On Jan 19, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
> <news:tqd00k$1q0bd$8...@dont-email.me>):
>
>> Sounds like you don't know much about the source you've chosen to rely
>> on.
>
> For some reason it bothers you a lot that Android owners get the sd
> option.

Nope.

> You're bitching about Android because Apple didn't give you any options.

iPhones do in fact have both options.

> Instead of bitching, you should be happy Android owners have options.

Nope.

[sms]

On 1/19/2023 5:06 PM, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 20, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
> <news:tqcd28$1lp3m$4...@dont-email.me>):

>
>> And if any of those things were really that important to large numbers
>> of customers, those customers would vote with their dollars.
>
> They did.
>
> The gsmarena site says most current Android models have both an sdcard slot
> and a 3.5mm jack & all but a quarter of current Androids have at least one

Not sure who the original post was from, presumably from someone that I
have filtered out. But the GSMArena website does NOT say that.

I looked at GSM Arena for current models (2022). Here are the results in
a Google Sheet Spreadsheet:
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y8ktiVvsNGyNhQMP9EgBGayZ_dDvO33jFRqw_9uWGcg/>

[Alan]

On 2023-01-19 19:58, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 19, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
> <news:tqd00k$1q0bd$8...@dont-email.me>):
>
>> Sounds like you don't know much about the source you've chosen to rely on.
>
> For some reason it bothers you a lot that Android owners get the sd option.

It doesn't bother me in the slightest.

>
> You're bitching about Android because Apple didn't give you any options.

I'm not bitching at all.

I'm disputing the conclusions you're drawing and showing you apparently
don't have much of a clue about the source you're relying on.

So you're bitching about me bitching...

...when I'm not.

:-)

[Your Name]

95% of people don't use the SD cards anyway. Once you take the geeks
and nerds out of the equation, 99.9% don't even know what an SD card
even is, let alone want to use one.

[Bob Campbell]

Yeah man.

The 3.5mm headphone jack is 70 years old.

The SD card is 24 years old.

If you think either of these are “modern hardware” then you are simply
retarded.

But then, you ARE a jackass troll kiddie. We expect such absurd stuff from
you. And you NEVER disappoint us.

What’s next? iPhones don’t have a serial port? A 5.25” floppy drive? A
14” hard drive? S100 expansion boards? Tarbell cassette tape interface?


BTW, how are those “ultrasonic file transfers” working out for you?

Androidiots. They never disappoint.

[Alan]

On 2023-01-19 19:58, Bill W wrote:

> On Jan 19, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
> <news:tqd00k$1q0bd$8...@dont-email.me>):
>
>> Sounds like you don't know much about the source you've chosen to rely on.
>
> For some reason it bothers you a lot that Android owners get the sd option.

It doesn't bother me in the slightest.

>

> You're bitching about Android because Apple didn't give you any options.

[nospam]

In article <xI-dnSrlaZPMs1f-...@supernews.com>, Bob

Campbell <no...@none.none> wrote:

>
> The 3.5mm headphone jack is 70 years old.
>
> The SD card is 24 years old.
>

> If you think either of these are łmodern hardware˛ then you are simply

> retarded.
>
> But then, you ARE a jackass troll kiddie. We expect such absurd stuff from
> you. And you NEVER disappoint us.
>

> Whatąs next? iPhones donąt have a serial port? A 5.25˛ floppy drive? A

> 14˛ hard drive? S100 expansion boards? Tarbell cassette tape interface?

one of the complaints in the bogus 'document' is that iphones don't
support dvd players.

you can't make this stuff up.

> BTW, how are those łultrasonic file transfers˛ working out for you?
>
> Androidiots. They never disappoint.

true.

[nospam]

In article <tqd5r2$10u$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

> Not sure who the original post was from, presumably from someone that I
> have filtered out.

you know quite well who posted it, as does everyone else.

[for.sms]

On 19 Jan 2023, sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote :
> I looked at GSM Arena for current models (2022). Here are the results in
> a Google Sheet Spreadsheet:
> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y8ktiVvsNGyNhQMP9EgBGayZ_dDvO33jFRqw_9uWGcg/>

Please don't act stupid, Steve.
It's unbecoming of an adult.

Leave the acting/being stupid for the child-like iKooks who _hate_ that
Android has plenty of choices, the vast majority of which have sd & 3.5mm.

You did NOT look at the GSM Arena URLs that compiled those ACCURATE facts.
You cherry picked your agenda & in doing so, you ignored salient facts.

By you acting so stupid, your credibility stinks like a polluted sewer.

The iKooks too are stupid because what's really happening is iKooks _hate_
the fact that Android users have the choice of sd cards & 3.5mm jacks.

The iKooks are _desperate_ to find a way out of the facts.
As are you.

And yet, you can't dispute the facts.
a. The iKooks _hate_ the facts (which is why they're so _desperate_).
b. You, on the other hand, always ignore medium & low end Androids.

Guess what.
They exist.

No matter how much you and the iKooks _hate_ that fact, medium and low end
Androids exist, and, in fact, are predominantly armed with sd & 3.5mm.

BTW, the URLs used are the ones that were always used in this newsgroup.
You just don't like the facts so you skew the fact to fit your agenda.

*THIS IS THE ORIGINAL POST WHICH YOU ARE COMPLETELY IGNORANT OF*
*AND WHICH THE IKOOKS HATE BECAUSE THE FACTS DON'T FIT YOUR AGENDA*

While 0% of iPhones have modern portable storage capabilities, and while 0%
of the current iPhones have the versatile industry standard 3.5 mm jack,

a. 78% of current Androids by our common test, have a standard 3.5 mm jack
b. 72% of current Androids have versatile internal portable storage slots
c. 66% of Android phones sold today have _both_ portable storage & 3.5mm

See below for incontrovertible proof... done how we always have done it.

The only reason iPhones don't have the basic hardware is for Apple to lay a
stick glue trap for its (admittedly loyal) customers to buy it back.

Apple isn't a design house.
Apple can't design a damn thing.

Apple is a MARKETING powerhouse.
Apple, like CocaCola, is great at marketing meaningless sugar water.

Worse... Apple's business strategy is to inexorable remove functionality so
as to lay a glue trap forcing its loyal customers to buy their way out.

Google & Samsung can afford to copy Apple in their attempt to garner the
same profit margins Apple earns from its admittedly gullible customers.

However, the facts must be shown as they stood last we checked on 20220815:
https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1&sOSes=2
2019 to today number of Android phones (not tablets) = 1850 = 100%
Running that same query today, we find there are 2,066 current models.

Last we checked, on 20220815, 78% had the industry standard 3.5mm jack.
https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1&sOSes=2
Android phones with 3.5mm jack = 1440 = 78%
Running that same query today, we find there are 1,581 models with it.
The percentage has dropped from 78% to 77%, which is barely a dent.

As for the internal portable storage card slot, I don't see that we listed
that in those numbers that we compiled last August on this newsgroup.

Running that test, we find there are 1,486 phones with portable storage.
https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1
That's the vast majority of Android phones at 72% by those same measures.

Running one more test, which is the intersection of those two features,
https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1
We find there are 1,368 current Android phones with both capabilities.

That's the majority of Android phones sold today, at 66%.

Please check the numbers understanding this is the _same_ test we've always
run so it would be deceitful for you to suddenly claim you don't like
objective facts which we all have been using all along.

[croy]

On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 06:01:53 +0000, Bob Campbell <no...@none.none> wrote:

>Yeah man.
>
>The 3.5mm headphone jack is 70 years old.
>
>The SD card is 24 years old.
>
>If you think either of these are “modern hardware” then you are simply
>retarded.

How old are brakes on cars?

--
croy

[Alan Browne]

On 2023-01-20 01:01, Bob Campbell wrote:
> Ye


If everyone who keeps leaping like a starving trout at the troll bait
would go on a diet, then these trolls would, in time, shuffle on...


--
“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

[Bob Campbell]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> one of the complaints in the bogus 'document' is that iphones don't
> support dvd players.
>
> you can't make this stuff up.

Yet the Retarded Troll Kiddies have no problem making up imaginary “issues”
with iPhones. Because EVERYONE carries a DVD player (and DVDs!) in their
pocket. Right beside the phone.

🙄

Androidiots. As common as rocks. And just as stupid.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 19.01.23 um 02:32 schrieb Andy Burnelli:

> While 0% of iPhones have modern portable storage capabilities, and while 0%
> of the current iPhones have the versatile industry standard 3.5 mm jack,

Very very old style. Modern wireless technologies make this "hole in the
hull" more than obsolet.

> a. 78% of current Androids by our common test, have a standard 3.5 mm jack
> b. 72% of current Androids have versatile internal portable storage slots
> c. 66% of Android phones sold today have _both_ portable storage & 3.5mm

The very cheap end of the cheap-Android market.


--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 20.01.23 um 07:01 schrieb Bob Campbell:

> Yeah man.
>
> The 3.5mm headphone jack is 70 years old.
>
> The SD card is 24 years old.

Clouds are a lot safer and more secure. Read all this deplorable threads
in the Android-group. It is more and more getting boring how old people
ride a dead horse.

[Alan]

How many cars still use drum brakes?

[Rod Speed]

On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 03:15:44 +1100, Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com>
wrote:

> On 2023-01-20 01:01, Bob Campbell wrote:
>> Ye
>
>
> If everyone who keeps leaping like a starving trout at the troll bait
> would go on a diet, then these trolls would, in time, shuffle on...

Nope, there are a couple in other groups who never get
any replys at all and who keep on raving on for quite
literally decades now.

[Alan]

On 2023-01-20 06:49, for.sms wrote:
> On 19 Jan 2023, sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote :
>> I looked at GSM Arena for current models (2022). Here are the results in
>> a Google Sheet Spreadsheet:
>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y8ktiVvsNGyNhQMP9EgBGayZ_dDvO33jFRqw_9uWGcg/>
>
> Please don't act stupid, Steve.
> It's unbecoming of an adult.

Kind of like making nym after nym to escape killfiles, right, Arlen?

[nospam]

In article <J1-dnfh47YhpXFf-...@supernews.com>, Bob

Campbell <nu...@none.none> wrote:

> > one of the complaints in the bogus 'document' is that iphones don't
> > support dvd players.
> >
> > you can't make this stuff up.
>
> Yet the Retarded Troll Kiddies have no problem making up imaginary ³issues²
> with iPhones. Because EVERYONE carries a DVD player (and DVDs!) in their
> pocket. Right beside the phone.

note that ios devices *can* use a dvd player, it just requires a third
party app.

had there been actual demand for such a feature, someone would have
written such an app. there isn't.

<https://developer.apple.com/documentation/iousbhost>
With the IOUSBHost framework, you can access custom and
non­class-compliant USB devices from within your apps. Use this
framework to connect to cameras, audio devices, scanners, printers,
keyboards, mouse devices, MIDI keyboards, and USB hubs.

[News]

Right, Baker.

[sms]

On 1/19/2023 8:37 PM, sms wrote:

<snip>

> I looked at GSM Arena for current models (2022). Here are the results in
> a Google Sheet Spreadsheet:
> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y8ktiVvsNGyNhQMP9EgBGayZ_dDvO33jFRqw_9uWGcg/>

I also added this link to the document under 3a "Headphone jacks
available on some Android phones" on page 26 and 4a "MicroSD Card Slots
available on many Android phones" on page 27.

The spreadsheet also includes the links to the GSMArena searches.
However note that the GSMArena web site does not include all current
phone brands, plus it includes many obsolete brands. Narrowing down the
search to current year (2022) models gave these results:

All Phones Total Percent
--------------- --- ------ -------
3.5mm Only 37 out of 127 29.13%
MicroSD Only 66 out of 127 51.97%
3.5mm and MicroSD 58 out of 127 45.67%

Flagship Phones Total Percent
--------------- --- ------ -------
3.5mm Only 0 out of 14 0.00%
MicroSD Only 2 out of 14 14.29%
3.5mm and MicroSD 2 out of 14 14.29%

It's interesting that it's the lower-end Android phones that are more
likely to have retained the headphone jack and MicroSD card slot.

There are only two current Android flagship phones with both a 3.5mm
headphone jack and a MicroSD card slot, both from Sony. If you include
2021, the number goes up to five, also all from Sony.

For iPhones, once I removed the 3.5mm headphone jack and the MicroSD
card slot, there was one current model, the iPhone 14 Pro Max. Including
previous models for 2021, the iPhone 13 Pro Max also showed up.

For a flagship device I used the following minimum requirements
IP68
4GB RAM
128GB Storage
1080 x 1920 display
400ppi display resolution
120Hz refresh rate
Dual speakers
4000mAH battery
15W Wireless charging

---------------------------------------•-----------------------------------------
✓ 46 iOS & iPhone Features Which [many] Android Users Wish they Had ✓
✓ 207 Android & Android Phone Features Which [many] iOS Users Wish
they Had ✓
<https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>
---------------------------------------•-----------------------------------------

[nospam]

In article <tqellh$16iv$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

> However note that the GSMArena web site does not include all current
> phone brands, plus it includes many obsolete brands. Narrowing down the
> search to current year (2022) models gave these results:

like your buddy, you're confusing number of models with sales volume.

[sms]

If you design filters properly, nym-shifting doesn't help him.

But in any case, I was interested in how many current Android devices
actually still do have a 3.5mm headphone jack and MicroSD card slot.

For flagship devices there are 2 out of 14, both from Sony.
For all devices there are 74 out of 262.

Also, GSMArena leaves out some Chinese brands, i.e. Umidigi which is
infamous because of the "Freedom Phone," a very low end phone at a high
price ($499) <https://www.freedomphone.com/pages/freedom-phone-spec>
that sells for about $140 on AliExpress.

[sms]

On 1/20/2023 10:14 AM, sms wrote:
> On 1/19/2023 8:37 PM, sms wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I looked at GSM Arena for current models (2022). Here are the results
>> in a Google Sheet Spreadsheet:
>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y8ktiVvsNGyNhQMP9EgBGayZ_dDvO33jFRqw_9uWGcg/>

Actually I updated the spreadsheet to include all brands, not just
brands anyone has ever heard of. The number (with both a MicroSD Card
and a 3.5mm headphone jack went up (for non-flagships) but the
percentage went down. For flagships, the number with both stayed the same.

Not going to keep putting the text results in posts, just see
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y8ktiVvsNGyNhQMP9EgBGayZ_dDvO33jFRqw_9uWGcg/>

[nospam]

In article <tqen7s$1use$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

> Actually I updated the spreadsheet to include all brands, not just
> brands anyone has ever heard of.

of course you did, because that skews the numbers.

[Alan]

When is the last time I posted under anything but my own name, "News"?

[Ken Blake]

On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 10:34:10 -0800, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
wrote:

>On 1/20/2023 8:52 AM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-01-20 06:49, for.sms wrote:
>>> On 19 Jan 2023, sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote :
>>>> I looked at GSM Arena for current models (2022). Here are the results in
>>>> a Google Sheet Spreadsheet:
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y8ktiVvsNGyNhQMP9EgBGayZ_dDvO33jFRqw_9uWGcg/>
>>>
>>> Please don't act stupid, Steve.
>>> It's unbecoming of an adult.
>>
>> Kind of like making nym after nym to escape killfiles, right, Arlen?
>
>If you design filters properly, nym-shifting doesn't help him.

I use Forte Agent 6.0 Can you tell me how to design a filter properly
so that nym-shifting won't help trolls?

[sms]

On 1/20/2023 8:51 AM, Alan wrote:

<snip>

> How many cars still use drum brakes?

A lot of new vehicles still use drum brakes on the rear wheels, both for
cost savings and because drum brakes can be for the mechanical parking
brake.

[News]

For starters, 'Alan Baker':

https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/nVzWBU2otC4

Then there are the other groups!

[sms]

I use Thunderbird, I'm not familiar with Forte Agent.

In any case I would not post the details here because it would giver our
trolls too much information and they could change things to evade the
filters.

[Alan]

'Alan Baker' IS my own name, "News".

[News]

Indeed, not 'Alan', 'Alan Baker'

[Alan]

I'm sorry, are you seriously claiming there is any confusion...

...AFTER immediately identifying that I have posted as "Alan Baker"?

That's quite the self-contradiction, isn't it?

:-)

[News]

Keep backing down the rabbit hole.

[Alan]

I'm not backing down anything, "News".

I'm pointing out that you clearly knew who "Alan" was.

[AJL]

On 1/20/2023 12:03 PM, Ken Blake wrote:

> I use Forte Agent 6.0 Can you tell me how to design a filter
> properly so that nym-shifting won't help trolls?

Use a mental filter. If you dislike a poster just don't open his posts.
Easy peasy. Personally I read them all. Cheap entertainment... ;)

[Alan]

Precisely!

[News]

Detritus left all over the boards, all over the 'net.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2023-01-20, *Hemidactylus* <ecph...@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
> Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-01-19 17:06, Bill W wrote:
>>> On Jan 20, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
>>> <news:tqcd28$1lp3m$4...@dont-email.me>):
>>>
>>>> And if any of those things were really that important to large
>>>> numbers of customers, those customers would vote with their
>>>> dollars.
>>>
>>> They did.
>>>
>>> The gsmarena site says most current Android models have both an
>>> sdcard slot and a 3.5mm jack & all but a quarter of current Androids
>>> have at least one.
>>>
>>> How can you flat outright say gsmarena doesn't know fuck about
>>> phones?
>>
>> I know that iPhones sell in HUGE numbers with neither an SD card
>> slot, nor a 3.5mm jack.
>>
> Actually expandable storage for an iphone would be a great idea

I wonder why nobody has ever thought of that before? Hmmm... Oh, wait:
<https://www.amazon.com/Compatible-Computers-External-Expandable-Storage/dp/B09XQM6K6Q>

> I think we all know why that isn’t the ca$e, despite what the resident
> PR folks might say.

Except it is the case - see above. You're just a dumb-ass troll.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[Alan]

How is that in any way a valid response to the fact that you are
simultaneously implying that I'm hiding my identity...

...but knew precisely who I was?

:-)

[Jolly Roger]

On 2023-01-20, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <xI-dnSrlaZPMs1f-...@supernews.com>, Bob

> Campbell <no...@none.none> wrote:
>
>> The 3.5mm headphone jack is 70 years old.
>>
>> The SD card is 24 years old.
>>
>> If you think either of these are ³modern hardware² then you are
>> simply retarded.
>>

>> But then, you ARE a jackass troll kiddie. We expect such absurd
>> stuff from you. And you NEVER disappoint us.
>>
>> What¹s next? iPhones don¹t have a serial port? A 5.25² floppy
>> drive? A 14² hard drive? S100 expansion boards? Tarbell cassette
>> tape interface?

>
> one of the complaints in the bogus 'document' is that iphones don't
> support dvd players.
>
> you can't make this stuff up.

No fucking way. : D

What's the link to this asinine document? It'll be good for the
occasional chortle. : )

[Jolly Roger]

On 2023-01-20, Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2023-01-20 01:01, Bob Campbell wrote:
>> Ye
>
> If everyone who keeps leaping like a starving trout at the troll bait
> would go on a diet, then these trolls would, in time, shuffle on...

Nah - they'd still be here talking to themselves.

[Alan]

On 2023-01-20 12:01, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-01-20, Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-01-20 01:01, Bob Campbell wrote:
>>> Ye
>>
>> If everyone who keeps leaping like a starving trout at the troll bait
>> would go on a diet, then these trolls would, in time, shuffle on...
>
> Nah - they'd still be here talking to themselves.
>

Correct.

The only way to deal with trolls is to take what amusement you can from
them.

[News]

Ask George Santos.

[Alan]

How is that comparable?

[nospam]

In article <tqes0n$251mj$1...@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh...@nope.com>
wrote:

> >> If everyone who keeps leaping like a starving trout at the troll bait
> >> would go on a diet, then these trolls would, in time, shuffle on...
> >
> > Nah - they'd still be here talking to themselves.
> >
>
> Correct.
>
> The only way to deal with trolls is to take what amusement you can from
> them.

also to refute the deliberate disinformation they spew.

[News]

LMAO

[Alan]

So you can't articulate the similarities.

Got it.

[Alan]

That falls under "amusement" for me.

:-)

[News]

IYKYK

[Alan]

Conveniently avoiding having to explain the contradiction of implying

I'm hiding my identity...

...but being able to instantly point to my identity.

:-)

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 20.01.23 um 21:30 schrieb nospam:

No. That keeps these flame war alive. You should know better.

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

[*Hemidactylus*]

Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2023-01-20, *Hemidactylus* <ecph...@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>> Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2023-01-19 17:06, Bill W wrote:
>>>> On Jan 20, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
>>>> <news:tqcd28$1lp3m$4...@dont-email.me>):
>>>>
>>>>> And if any of those things were really that important to large
>>>>> numbers of customers, those customers would vote with their
>>>>> dollars.
>>>>
>>>> They did.
>>>>
>>>> The gsmarena site says most current Android models have both an
>>>> sdcard slot and a 3.5mm jack & all but a quarter of current Androids
>>>> have at least one.
>>>>
>>>> How can you flat outright say gsmarena doesn't know fuck about
>>>> phones?
>>>
>>> I know that iPhones sell in HUGE numbers with neither an SD card
>>> slot, nor a 3.5mm jack.
>>>
>> Actually expandable storage for an iphone would be a great idea
>
> I wonder why nobody has ever thought of that before? Hmmm... Oh, wait:
> <https://www.amazon.com/Compatible-Computers-External-Expandable-Storage/dp/B09XQM6K6Q>
>
>> I think we all know why that isn’t the ca$e, despite what the resident
>> PR folks might say.
>
> Except it is the case - see above. You're just a dumb-ass troll.
>

You moved the goal posts. The idea was a card that would fit inside the
phone and not some clunky attachment hanging from the bottom like a sore
thumb. Try again apologist.

Of course you would deliberately frame things like that to trash me as a
troll, so GFY jackass. You and Arlen both make this cesspit unreadable. I
can come and go as I please, both of you live for this place.

[MikeS]

On 20/01/2023 19:34, sms wrote:
> For flagship devices there are 2 out of 14, both from Sony.
> For all devices there are 74 out of 262.

Bullshit.

You ran a highly constrained filter severely limiting the time period.
Use the last 3 years (from 2019 to now).

You can break it down to flagship's only but then you have to remove those
flagships when you show the results for phones that are not flagships.

Be fair.

If you want to be considered credible you must provide the URL.
Anything else is bullshit.